Unleashing Your Vivid Self A Journey of Self-Belief and Business Transformation

Welcome to the Women in Business Radio Show with Sean Murphy, connecting women in business around the globe. Hello, and welcome into the Women in Business Radio Show studio. And welcome to my. Co host Mikael Janniata. And our guest today. There's something wrong with my arms. I'm flinging. Pieces of paper are flying around the studio and I can't read anything. Now. Claile, who is a she's a self belief and business coach, so she should get some work here and educator, a speaker. She is the host of the No Rest for the Vivid podcast and the founder of the Vivid Business Club. Well, that's it. I found out on site. There's a reason I've got imposter syndro because it's about to be found out. I'm an imposta welcome and welcome, thanks for having so we are going to be well, We're just I don't know, because I think we should just do what we normally do. We will, which is instead of paying for business coaching, we just. Get question. Everything we need over the next hour and then we just all leave. Normally works. I see that, and then. You know where you know what we want? OK? All of our expectations are all sorted. We're good to go. I have actually got a piece of paper. It's scary, I know, and I've lost it. Hang on a minute, did did? Right? Then there we go. I'll tell you what. There's been worse things happened. See. One of the funniest was and I had a very long, swiry skirt on and we had I don't often do that, and we had I had a chair with wheels, and I wheeled backwards and the skirt got caught in the wheels and just kept dragging me further and further until I was been double over the side and we were on air microphone. Oh goodness, never mind, Okay, okay, all right, Sannity is restored. I'm back on the chair. We're all together. So welcome to the studio. I'm very happy to be here. So Claire is also brand new to the Women in Business Big Show twenty five and she is going to be one of our VIP exhibitors. So I'm just going to do a little bit of a shout out about that. It is on the seventh of August. It is at Wilmington Academy, near dark. We have exhibitor space from forty pounds and you can. I was just thinking, no, all of our VIP space has gone last one you did did so. But we do have exhibitor space from forty pounds. We have loads and loads of those, and we have a few more the next tier up. So if you're interested in that, if you want to find out more, you can go and visit Women in a Business, Big Show dot com. So let us get on with the show. So we're going to be hearing from Claire. First of all, we're going to hear about her story, and we're going to sort of find out how she got to be doing what she's doing. And then, I don't know, is the only sort of problem you need to solve? I'm thinking, don't worry me anything. Clear tell us. What I think is always really useful to find out is how you got to wear you what you do, what you do now, and who you do it with, So the sorts of problems that you solve and the types of people that you work with. So how did you get to where you are now? Is this? Would you like the full story or the abridged version the middle? In the middle, I don't know where were you going to if you start with I was born Okay, we're not going to You're going to be at primary school. And is because when I had a really tough childhood and I always joke I get my little violin out, but it's part of a really important part of the story. Because I lost my dad when I was eight, and my mum was pregnant with my brother, and we've got two sisters and we were my mum. Obviously it was a pretty horrible thing to go through. So I became her care with my siblings, and you know, it was tough. That's one part of the story. Then I read Matilda by Roaldull and realized I was like, there might be a way out of here. If I crack on and get my qualify, just crack on at school, maybe I can create a better life for myself. And that's what I was just, you know, with all of the challenges that came after that, I just really got my head down and you know, tried my best to get out of it. Because I was a free school meal student. We were on benefits. You know, we didn't have a garden, a washing machine, all of those things. But I thought, if I work my brain hard enough, I can change things around here. How old were you at this point, eight? Eight nine? When about nine? No, I was about eight when I read Matildio. It was all very much at the same point, and I wanted to be a vet. I was really like, I want you know, do you know? I wanted to be a vet. And I was thinking about this the other day. How it was a good job I didn't become a vet Anita, Yeah, because I was never supposed to be of it. But perhaps it's something all little girls go through they want to be vets. Well, I remember being so like, I went to grammar school. Obviously in Kent, you passed. I need a pass my living plus because then I need to get these qualifications. And this was at ten eleven when I had this plan so that I can go and be a bit. I learned Latin at school to be a vet, and did my Triple Science Award at GCSE to be a vet, all of those things. And then when I got then I realized how long the vet qualification was. And then I found boys and so yeah, and also some other things, and I thought I can't be bothered. I can't, yeah. So but I met my first boyfriend and his mum has been an amazing person in my life, like she is. Without I always say without her, I wouldn't have done much more. But she sort of said to me, you're a bit magic. There's something special about you. And she's gave me a job and it was working with adults with learning disabilities, and I just fell in love with that job. It was this was before the statutory guard that has come in and you couldn't be sixteen, you had to be eighteen. So I was sixteen when I first started working there, and then I used to do all the night shift, the day shift, got to school after a night shift. I don't know how I did that. And then I went to university, came out and started working with homeless families and I worked in the communities and then I was made redundant, met my husband, who was running a homeless hostel, was made redundant, and then I went into education. So that's the summary of that bit. But all the way along that I was running businesses because part of me. My first way I learned earned money was when I was about ten and I used to go round to my neighbor's house tidy her bedroom for her and so you can pay me in your stuff, leave it out and you can pay me with the stuff, as I didn't have any stuff, and that's how I first. I'd be like a tidy your bedroom. Yeah, picked upish did? They did? Basically. Then when I was fourteen, I made like I was was really into sewing, so I made loads of bags, made six pound profit though, and I worked all some holidays still profit. In fact, we're not going to include the time. And then I had another eBay business, and then I had a business called Violet and May. Violet and May. I actually went self employed for a while. That was handmade jewelry wedding accessories and I'd work with shoe designers and do wedding fairs. And it was this was before Instagram and with a product based business. It was up and down the high streets with yourself, right, yeah, you know, go and asking somebody would you like to stock my stuff? It's like this, And now it was just you know, you can't get more resilient. Keep doing that. Put your big girl parents on yes. But then I went into my career as in education, and because of all my management experience that I'd got over the last decade of working with vulnerable people, I got very quickly got promoted. And the thing with working in education is that you the more higher you get, the more hours you work. So even as a teacher in a classroom, that's high stuff, it is, but cyst and head to where I got to was really really tough. And then I had a baby and my boy, Jackson was born, and then suddenly this creativeness came out of me again and I was like, I might just start making and my next business was born on maternity leave called vivid Wire, and that business it still sort of bubbles along, you know. But what I did was learn everything from Violet and May put it into vivid Wire and was making some really good money. Was able to leave education and I was able to make semi passive and passive income from a product based business that was handmade, and people were going, how do you do that? How do you do that? And all the while I was finishing off for my master's degree, which was in leadership of inclusion because while I was working in the school that support for vulnerable people who didn't have the best story to start with, just like me, you know, how did they need that support? And I went into looking at how we can support students with social, mental, and emotional health issues and lots of different neurodiversities as well as trauma impacted neurodiversities. So all of that came in and so it was like that I remember one point thinking I am here because of all of those careers and it's all come to one point because I use I've created my framework for the Vivia Business Club and how I support business owners using my action research for my master's degree. I teach because I deliver courses and support, but also I've been coaching people for twenty years, like well more than twenty years because I'm forty now, So it's like, you know, twenty odd years of supporting people to be their best selves. And one thing when you're working with vulnerable people and we were talking about this earlier, is you cannot tell them what to do. It takes all of that power away from them. And it was all about finding their magic, them stepping into who they really are for them to live their life. And now I do that for business owners the end. Right. Wow, the word vivid, Yes, how close is that tied into your identity? Now? I love that you asked this question because nobody asks it. Did I write that down on the application. No, so my maiden name is Vidler and everyone calls me Vid. And I was sitting at traffic lights quite a while ago thinking wouldn't it be wonderful to have a business with the word vivid in it? Because that's my name vivid. Plus I'm a pretty vivid character and so vivid why I came from that? And then no rest for the Vivid the podcast, Vivid Business Club, And it's about stepping in to your most vivid self. So every day I ask myself, am I showing up as my most vivid self? Where can I be my most vivid self? And it's not about being like bold or you know, too big or anything like that. It's just about being your most technic color version of you with crystal clear, you know, HD and I support people. I was saying, this is somebody the other day. It's like Wizard of Oz. I take you from the gray, black and white into the technical so you can just see more joy in your life, and all of that joy can then go into your business and supporting your dream people. That's so cool. Oh thank you. Yeah, no, I'm so happy you asked me that question. I'm sure it wasn't in the information. Information a great interviewer you are, or it's a. Really good word everything. No, it was just something that struck me. You know, I can see that as actually being woven through so much of what it is that you're doing. And I didn't realize that it doesn't actually sort of come from a previous business. And so no, it's a brilliant word. And yeah, it's It's just a thread, isn't it. I like threads. Yeah, and it's such a part of my like right now, obviously I'm Claire, but step into my normal life. No one calls me Claire about my husband and even doesn't even call me Claire. Really, you're just like OA. But it's vig. Everyone calls me vid all of the time. So every time I hear vivid, it's me vivid Vivid. Yeah, So I love that, and I think what a brilliant lesson for I think anybody in business. I think it doesn't even matter where you are, does It doesn't matter whether you're the CEO of a company, whether you're the director, whether you're self employed, whether you have a team of a million, It doesn't matter because it's still a person that sat there in that isn't it. It's it's just a person and what a wonderful you know. I like to have a word that is actually something that you sort of step into, that is part of your identity, that means something for you. And what I like about your word is it's actually not a word that we hear every day. It's not an everyday word. We hear also, we hear colorful, vibrant, we hear freedom, all sorts of things that I think we hear every day in the context of in the context of people who are what's the word I'm looking for working with other people? This this? There's some words that would never mind it's gone, but that's that's just a different word. And it's a very to me, it's a very strong word, very strong and bright word. So I love that and I think that's something that we can take from this actually, is that what's your word you're listening in? What's your word? What's what sits with you and what sits in with your identity? Yeah, okay, you don't have to tell anybody. You don't have to tell anybody, but what word are you going to step into? What costume will you put on in every morning. Yeah, and it's so interesting you say that because working on my vivid brand and all the other ideas I have for other businesses, when you think of anything under that word, if it's going to be more vivid, like any experience, and how I support my clients and the members of my community, how can I create a more vivid experience for you so you step into your most vivid self so that you are never putting yourself in a situation where you're asked to be smaller than you really are. You take up the space that you were born to take up, and that is really being your most vivid self. Yeah. Yes, Funnily enough, I've been writing a few little bits and pieces this week, because I tend to do stuff like that. I sort of jrot stuff down. I may make notes or comments, and one of them has been about sort of taking up space. In what sense. Actually it was in It was actually well holding space actually, and it was in it was actually in the context of holding space for somebody else about how when somebody shares something with you, a trouble or a problem that they have, that perhaps your first instinct shouldn't be too how weird. It's the same thing. Hang on a minute. Yeah, sorry, I'm flabbergasted how things sometimes fit together. So it was in response to something that somebody had asked, and so I wrote like a little note that went out to substant that sort of thing about how when somebody shares a problem with you, you know that that doesn't necessarily mean that they want your view. They don't want your solution. They don't want you to commentate, to commentate a word to comment comment commentary, Yes, yeah, they don't want your commentary on it. They don't. They certainly don't need to hear your experience of something similar or even worse, even if you are doing it in a way to empathize that. Sometimes what they want is for it to be for them. They need to be able to say it out loud. They need somebody to hear it, and somebody just to hold that space for them. And that's it, exactly it. Yeah, And I think down to this is down to self work when you feel that you have to contribute, but the wording that the value you are providing is that space. I have a client that a new client, and this you know, he's got a huge business and his experience and why he wants to work with me, is not necessarily to hear about how I can support him to grow his business. He needs someone with a business mind to hear how his life is and hold that space. And that's what I do. And I just bounce questions. And I remember like that when I first would you know, start supporting people. I remember I'd be telling them trying to say, oh, this is what you should do, and that is just disempowered and we have to you know, call fall back a little bit from that as well. What what sort of I suppose taught me a lesson is having people suggest different ways that I could organize myself, Like why don't you write it down in a to do list? And I'm do you think I've not actually ever considered that? It has to come from the age. No, But I mean, who hasn't got a to do list? Sorry, I'm pulling strange faces here, And of course nobody can sue me because it's but who hasn't got you anything? I haven't thought about writing it down in a list? Right? Anyway? Enough of that at list that gets his place. That's why I've got. My big white Joe. And that is very often one of the most annoying things, isn't it is? Sometimes you just need to go, actually, this has happened. I don't know that very much. You don't need a solution tons of stuff thrown at you. But yeah, sometimes you just have to be and be in it and just yes, not fight through to find a solution. Maybe the solution that the reason why it's happening is for you to just experience it. But that's what makes you a good coach, Isn't it is that understanding that it's not about providing solutions, because all your solution is is another opinion. Yeah, isn't it. No, I just repeat and it is funny how many times I will repeat back something that they've said and they. Go, oh until they hear what they've said. That's amazing. I'm like, yeah, I've literally just said what you said. That did I I can't But it's because you're so close to everything you can't zoom out. And that's the benefit of a coach because I'm able to zoom right out look at the big picture. I'm not emotionally involved. I care about them obviously, but in the day to day running, so they help them zoom out and then the solutions they discover are leaning into what they their superpowers are. It's leaning into who they are, and so it works even better. It's this is why when we talk about strategy and mindset, you could so many people invest so much money in learning strategy and business strategy of how things should work, to discover that they haven't got the mindset to be consistent with it to execute. It's true and it's you then find oh, it's not working. Well, it wasn't a strategy that was born from you. This is what when I teach what I do, there's like it's like a pick a mix. So you could try that see if it fits. If it's not, why don't you lean into that? Maybe that will work. And it's about them finding out the CEO that they're supposed to be. And do you know that happens so often in business as well, especially when people are implementing systems. I see where systems have been built, systems to emailing systems, all sorts of systems. It doesn't really matter what it is, but a system has been built and it's perfect. Yeah, it's perfect until you get somebody to actually do it. And after about six months they realized that actually it worked as long as there wasn't anybody that had to be involved with doing it. So if I'm working with a business, it's always undeveloping a system. It's okay, how is this actually going to work in? How is this actually going to work with people? Yeah? And I think that's much the same, isn't it. It's so often I see business coaching who put their solution, which is out of their brain, with their confidence, with their experience, with their everything else, on somebody else's. And then what I say is then the client is made to feel small or smaller because it's not working for them. It's not down to it's not it's not it's because it's not theirs if to own it. And also people who've been told they have things You've got imposter syndrome, Oh yeah. You wish should we start that? Then? Should we start talking about that? You know, being told that you've got imposter syndrome? How do you know? That's the first time I discovered imposter syndrome someone told me I had it. Yeah, but how do you know that's what I've got? Yeah? Yeah, it's not actually an illness. No, you can't get redicent. It's actually totally normal and supposed to happen exactly. But even if you know, how does that manage? How do you know what I've got? You don't know what's going on in my. Head because and do you know what as well? I think it's about the controlling how other people feel around you. Some people can't, like don't feel comfortable with other people in pain or discomfort, so they want to come in and solve it, solve it, solve it because it makes them feel better about the situation. But you're taking away the power of that person, the transformation they're going to experience in solving that, and so you need to step away. Yeah, sometimes, like we say, hold space, hold space is. I was told I don't speak in it. I don't speak for other people. I don't speak in other people's rooms or other people's events. I just don't do it. Okay, it's too much planning, too much organization, too much doing what somebody else wants. I just don't do it. And somebody said, oh, you don't do it because you've got imposter syndrome. I haven't got imposter syndrome. I actually just don't do it. In fact, I'm not an imposter because I know exactly what I do do I interview people, I don't speak in other people's rooms, and the story but the cheek and it was a coach of telling me what I had and inverted commas are wrong with me. And actually I just know what I do and what I'm good at and where I shine and where I don't, and I don't enjoy it, so I'm not doing it. I don't think that's imposter syndrome. I think that's knowing what you who you are, and what you're good at. That's been your most vivid self exact. So let's move let's move on from me, because it's not about me, after all, she says. Hopefully I do my best. I do my best to make it not about me doesn't always work, so self belief. So I think that's a little bit like sort of imposter syndrome inso much as sometimes people take on labels, and they take on a label that somebody's given them, but other times they have just no idea what it is. I don't think people are actually I don't think I want to do that. Well, I must have a self belief belief issue. Very often people just have no ideas and stuff doesn't happen. They don't put themselves forward for something, they don't take on a new client, they don't do their marketing, whatever it is, there's something that's happening that is very often I think a mask if you like behind that is sitting a lack of self belief. That's right, but it manifests itself in not enough clients, not doing the stuff that you should be doing on social media or whatever. So how do people very often present themselves to you? How do they come and go, I'm feeling or I've got or my problem is? What is the symptom that people can recognize? Usually it's not being able to show up consistently, or they'll have birds so they'll say, you know, I'm really good, I know what I sell. I say, for example, I work with a product based business, which will start with that one even service based, but they know what they sell and they can sell it. But then there's a dip in sales again like that void, and they then the self doubt comes in and they say, obviously my stuff isn't good enough, that's why people aren't buying it, when actually they haven't prioritized. You know, those three big rocks, the cash flow, the marketing, and the actual making sure that the customer service and that delivery is top notch. So we always start with that, but do you know what the biggest thing is always when they stop looking after themselves. And I call it warrior energy. So it comes back to this transforming from a warrior to a worry and it comes from when I was really battling with my mental health and becoming self employed. It was like a tidal wave hit me in the face because I'd been a workaholic, numb to the fact that I'd experienced all this trauma, and I was just like, yeah, I'm just going to keep working. I'm not going to get fine, and then go from crazy words exactly. It's just this whole massive score I was working in. So I was on my own all day and my thoughts. So, yeah, it was awful, But I was thinking, what if the worrier energy I've got, I'm worrying about everything, Well if I just transform that into something more powerful and turning into strength. And it's about reframing. And there was a certain pattern of things that I did to create this warrior energy and I still do it all the time and it's each of their own, so there's all. Everybody will have their own things. So for me reading books, I love reading books, you know, fiction. I love exercising. I love listening to very loud music, usually a bit of drum and bass or something like that. I have a little rave in the kitchen I always, you know, I love wearing lipstick, little things like that to become my most vivid self. But to feel that, you know that energy when you're. Like, this is an energy shift, isn't it. This is an energy shift. And what a lot of that happens is you love your business and you love what you do, and that's why a lot of people hopefully go into business because they're passionate about what they do. But the driving force and the energy that drives that passion comes from them and their magic and their and their energy. And so when they start going back to that and they start looking after themselves, what happens is they start getting more creative, they have more ideas, they feel more confident because they're being their most vivid self, and then they can start showing up. But it's the doubt and the self doubt and the lack of worthiness that creates that oh, I can't look after myself. There's more important things to do. I'm too busy to do that. So the boundaries fall away that how they you know, even just discipline around things that they want to do. I mean, especially like I know when my son was younger, I would be like, oh, I've got to sort jackson first. I've got to make sure my husband and son assorted before I can rest. But it's that that's not really fair because my. It's not fair on their minds rights. Not that fair because then they get a less vivid version of me. And I want to show up for the people I love the most as the best version of me. So a lot of clients we start with that, always always that, but it shows up a lot of the time that the critical thoughts, those thoughts that stop you in your tracks are getting too loud and they don't know where to start because it impacts their productivity. If they're showing up. If we're saying like a micro business, they're on their own. They have to do all of the marketing. They've got to do the social media, they've got to do that work on the website. To do that, you know, make sure it's search engine optimize all of those things, and a lot of that work does not. It depends on internal validation, and a lot of people will be doing the things where people notice. As we know, the stuff that really grows a business is the stuff that people don't see. And so then oh, there's no, there's not clients in my funnel. I haven't got a pipeline. I'm draping a fis and famine situation. Because they then haven't the worthing. They don't feel the worthiness to do the really hard stuff in business to grow, you know, and always to not fun stuff, not fun stuff, because you're not getting external validation. So then it goes back to that work of going, who, what do you feel that you've won today? Yeah? Okay, right, that's what matters. Everything else is just brilliant. You have to become your own best cheerleader. So would it be fair to say, you know, so there you are, you're set out there and you're listening in. What's come to my mind is actually this is like a bit of it's a pattern interrupt yes, yeah, for so the consistency, there is a lack of consistency, and you hear that just all the time. It doesn't matter what you do as long as you do it consistently. Just do it consistently. If you find if you do it consistently, Actually, at some point you sort of have to look at what you're doing consistently, yep, because everybody does something consistently. Yeah. Usually procrastination, yes, yeah, But it's about a pattern interrupt, isn't it. So you're doing this and then you're not. Yeah, and you're doing this or this is happening and then it's not. And where that starts sort of being quite checkered yeah, yeah, yeah, and you're feeling like there isn't any flow. Yeah then, And I think that that is where the productivity really comes into it, and the that, like you say, consistency, because the stuff where you consistency, people think, like we said about systems, you have to put the systems in place, but if the mindset is not there to put the systems into place and to believe that they're going to work, it's all down to self trust. So self trust is a huge part of self belief, and this is why it impacts productivity. So you sit down and you say, right, I'm going to do a to do list today, and what happens is because you want to be really busy and feel that worthiness your to do list is paid too long, and then you go, right, I'm going to get that done today. And then what happens You think, oh, that's too overwhelming. You start procrastinating, and so then you think, well, if I can't even do the to do list, I can't trust myself to do that, how can I ever believe I can do the big things? What's the point? And you get stuck in this continuous loop where self out is feeding your procrastination, which is lowering your self trust, which impacts your self belief. And belief and doubt are separate things like your self belief is is such a powerful voice. It's linked to your heart and your intuition and who you are. Again, your most vid yourself. Your doubt is that pointy elbow weirdo in the corner. I mean, I love a weirdo, but I know you know that really wants the battle to the front of the crowd, so use all of the shot. But what they're saying is absolutely rubbish. It's not true. It's not based on facts, it's not it's just you know, rude words. It's just rubbish, and so then you've got regretful not to swear, but that when you've got that, you think, oh that the volume is on is so loud on that, how can I hear your intuition? But you have to create the space to hear your self belief by doing those habits that create your worry energy at the same time. So your worry energy is feeling your self belief. Your self belief is feeding that. You get that drive, you get the confidence, and then the doubt volume goes down. And as that happens, you think, do you know what, I might just do three things today? Boom, Oh my goodness, I trust myself. Now what else can I achieve? And then the self belief increases after that. But sort of going away from that panic of there's too much to do. I can't do it. I will never get all of that done, and I don't know how I'm going to get it done anyway yet, And I think the warrior energy. So going from warrior to worry I do like that. Yeah, cool, it's very cool. So is it could be anything? Yeah, I go down to the library. I just trot down to my local library. I'll just go down and I'll browse the shelves. I'll have a chat to the librarians. I'm actually in their diary. Is coming in today diary to give to do my reminders? Okay, you meant that you were in their diary. No, I mean I know that a bit worrying, but never mind. I didn't know I've been in I've been going to this library for thirty years. I only found out about a year and a half ago that I'm actually in it, that they have a diary entry. Wow, to renew my books or to chop down, knock on the door, tell me that my books are you know my box. That is really lush. Do love a library and I'm very We're lucky, like my local libraries are just the best. We need a library. We haven't got one. Okay, hopefully when the hubs bill one. Brilliant libraries are much underrated. Resources are in the UK for just doing work. Actually, this is what you're saying is interrupting that pattern as well with change of scenery. Go on a CEO date with yourself and block out that time. But so many people don't block off enough time because I think I've got better things to do. Those foundations are what grows your business. Brilliant. Thank you for CEO. Thank you very much. I'm so sorry. I'm taking that for stepping out. It's a CEO. Excuse me. Stepping out is a program that launched recently where it is for you to take a step out of your business, reconnect with yourself, reconnect with your business plan, and basically get some grounding in place and stop flying and get your feet back on the ground. And thank you very much. I'm going to put that. I was just going to say, I like the idea of the CEO date, but whenever I'm late in i take time out, I feel guilty because i know my team are in there working away, and I'm thinking I should know. Sorry, I'm sorry. You are the boss. Is going back to those roles? Yeah, being the visionary leader. You have to have creative space to be your most yourself and lead them. I know you said to us, so you said to me, And I can't remember what show it's in. Oh, I'll be sitting there and it might be midnight, and I'll be thinking up ideas and things like that. Your staff are fantastic, but I bet they're not working at midnight. They're not but they're not after five, they're at that door exactly, Well. Yeah, exactly. I don't think they'll go. We better go because mckil you know, she wants us to have her time off. But oh, I'll tell you what. I'm going to start again after dinner. Like you were saying about the one in the corner, the man in the corner, it is. Like talking to me, going, you shouldn't do that because if you're in you need to be in there showing your face because you are the boss. You imagine when you've got when you've done that. Like I always treat myself for a really nice breakfast, I go bougie. I'm like, I am the CEO. And then when I go back and if I talk to my team, I've got great ideas. I'm really encouraging. I'm not worrying about I'm not thinking about that, oh what could go wrong? I'm thinking what if. You've got if you've had a rest. Yes, yeah, but I love But this is something Bill Gates used to do. Used to go off for like a whole week and just think. As entrepreneurs, you have to let your brain do the thinking. We leave that space to go. I wonder if and just go. I sometimes go for silent walks and it's like my brain going for a body scrub, and suddenly my brain goes, oh what about this? And I have to actually stop keeping yourself amused? Yes, you have you have to. You have to shut off some of the noise and the doing and stop doing and start being. Yeah, and have. A lovely brelat. Still be lovely chilat sounds talking about it earlier. Absolutely sound sounds sorry, sounds like wolics. Try still going. I know. They put him probably in more teasers. That's where they put them, That's where they brought it. So what I could do is actually just put more right up the idea of this. I could do more teasers. But a hot chocolate exactly, which is a multi hot chocolate. Yeah, it's just like, I don't know anyway, it's probably not so I think possibly do people know, do people recognize when they've stopped looking after themselves? No, drowned it out? Yeah, So I don't know how are we going to recognize this? So I don't know. It could be that you always shave your legs and you've stopped, or you think or you go to or you used to go to the hairdressers, or somebody may say, do you haven't seen you for ages? Because you haven't been, have you know yours done? I can't imagine such a thing. But this is where that kind of content, like the content you know, predominantly what I'm putting out on Instagram and LinkedIn, is identifying that I literally put a piece out yesterday saying three signs that your self belief is not there and it's keeping you stuck. And one of those is second guess yourself all the time, or you seek validation, or you're going out and asking people for opinions about stuff, and then when you make a decision, you think, oh, maybe I've done the wrong thing. Or you're not showing up and you're feeling like I'm not quite sure what the next move is, or when you are dealing with a situation, you're you have a conversation and then you think about it again and again and again. Afterwards, those vulnerability hangovers when you do show up are really severe. So it's about understanding the signs because everybody can learn how to believe in themselves. And the reason why I do it is because I didn't believe in myself. I had to teach myself because it was like I had a gun to my head. Really, I had to make that business work. I had no other option. It was either that or go back into education, and I had mental health. I just couldn't do it with how it was working. And I thought, but what if? And my dream was to run my own business. By that point, I was like, Okay, I'm doing it. To say no to that that for myself and not back myself was too a severer an outcome for the situation. So I had to make it work. And so I had to find that belief and coming back to the science of it, this is about making sure your nervous system is regulated. Talk. You know, journaling I went to and journaling is not for everybody in written form, but you can talk to yourself. You're talking out loud and you're getting to know. Say just it's a mechanism for getting stuff that's stuck inside to come out, isn't it. And it's and be that journaling, be that talking. You know, you don't have to share it with anybody else. It's just a method of getting of getting it out and said in one way or the other that makes sense. Let's let's let's move on. Let's find out a little bit about you and what's gone right and what's gone wrong. And the reason I'm going to ask this is because on social media, very often, if we're talking to people, we only hear the highlights. We see the highlights, don't we We see the events that were round full of people, We see the standing ovations, we see them on TV, all of this sort of thing. We don't actually see the empty events or when everything went wrong. So what is the biggest thing that's gone wrong for you? Well? Two things. One was quite recent. Actually I had a bit of a flop of an online launch and I wrote, I recorded loads of podcasts about it. Actually I told everybody I thought, I've had a massive flop. But guess what, I've learned this and learned this, and it felt like the best flop that's ever happened. You know. I actually hadn't had a flop for a launch before that. It was just I just thought, oh, maybe I got really curious about what was going to happen next. That was one thing. But another thing was there was a question that I got asked I picked up. It was it was a while ago now about what do you know or teach that you do not do yourself. And there was a there was a little bit of my Yeah, it was powerful. It was a little bit of my authenticity that was niggling, you know, when you're just like, I'm not showing I'm not taking up as much space as I should. Why is that? And it was because I was. I was doing my books and my cash flow. You know, we had we had this conversation. I was doing it, but I wasn't four cars in the head and half. I wasn't doing the CEO kind of you know, money stuff. And then I had a bit of a cash flow issue and I thought I needed this because it wasn't that much of an issue. It was very quickly recoverable. But it made me think, well, I really needed that because I've been letting that part of me go. One of the things I always say to my clients is be on top of your cash flow. Don't hide your head. Make sure you know you're looking at it at least every week. You need to know where you are. And then I had done I hadn't done it because I was too busy, and it was in a month where I had loads of events I was doing launches, but these are the big rocks, Like that's one of the big rocks of business. So I was really grateful for it because the systems I now have in place that I design myself and actually work are now prepared for when that next level of growth. So I needed that. So though I've you know, had big challenges, and as we all do in business, I'm very grateful for them, which is really annoying for people because I don't mean because everything that goes wrong, I learn something amazing. So now if I'm going to something and the tech goes wrong or there's something you know, when you know, when things go really wrong, I get really excited because I think, oh, something really good it's going to happen. That's really amazing. I can't wait what's going to happen, And I just flip my energy get really grateful, and then something good happens. It doesn't solve everything, Like there's something happened in my personal love about a year ago and I'm still trying to find the good out of it. But even with my dad passing away and all of that stuff that happened to me as a kid, I am now a point where I feel really grateful because that made me the woman I'm proud to be today. And every time I say that, it would be great if we could end there, but we're not. We've got a few minutes left and I just I'm going to fire some stuff. Okay, first of all, I want to First of all, I just want you to say people can get hold of you if they would like to connect with you, maybe have some coaching. Okay, so go to my website www dot No one does that bit anymore do they anyway? Claire Hill dot uk. And then on social media if you just search for I am Claire Hill all one word, I am that everywhere. And then obviously listen to my podcast No Rest for the Vivid, which is everywhere that you listen to podcasts, same place as this, right. So these are quick answers. Okay, okay, these are quick answers. What's your superpower? My energy? Okay, what's your kryptonite? Sausages? Fair enough? Do you know what is? That is? Probably Sorsages or hash Browns. I can't I cannot leave sage. That would be a good place to leave it. Like feeling like I've got to rescue people and are not that. Like, what is the biggest misunderstanding around your topic? Oh, that's quick. The imposter syndrome is completely normal when you're supposed to have it in new situations. Right. What is your top tip for being in business? Trust the void, hold your nerve and trust the void and then you just be. That's a new one. I like that. And what do you what do you know now that you wish would have known when you started out? Everything is happening exactly as it should. And I think, oh, no, we'll have We'll have one more. It needs to be really quick. Your biggest win. Owning my energy, my power, okay, and having a baby. I suppose we've got two more. I don't think i've have I asked. I don't know if I asked that. Now. What do you know now that you wi should have known when you started? Something happens exactly okay? Very last one? How do you change people's lives. By making them see their magic and believe in it magic? That's lovely. I think that's a really good place to win. I know exactly. Thank you so much to Miquel and my co host, and thank you so much for you VIP exhibitor Michael of course. And I think it's the first time you guys have met sponsor and speaker at the Women in Business Big Show. I'm Cheyle Murphy and we will be back, oh very very shortly with the Women in Business Big Show. Have a great time in the meantime, Bye. Tune in next week to the Women in Business for more stories, ideas and inspiration to help you grow your business.